Like everyone with both Windows Home Server and Windows Media Center boxes I’d pay a good chunk of cash to have both in a single box featuring shared storage, cablecard support, and a small and eco-friendly footprint. A very good chunk.
A few people have (somewhat) successfully virtualized Windows Home Server on their Windows Media Center box but while I admire their cunning there’s potentially a rather ugly problem. If the OS drive for WMC should ever fail you have a chicken-and-egg situation. No WMC = No WHS = No restore from backup.
I think a better scenario then is to have Windows Media Center running as a service on the Home Server box with all output being through one or more extenders. With a few constraints I couldn’t think of any reason why this wouldn’t work so I decided to give it a go
Note the following were required;
- A VM package that supports USB devices and can be run as a service.
- USB Tuners
- Acceptance of being limited to extenders, and not being able to record protected digital content (for the same reasons you can’t record digital content with a custom-built box).
Virtual Machine package
I initially started with the free version of VMware Server 2.0 which worked but had two drawbacks; The most awful web based administration imaginable and a limit of two USB devices. The first I could live with since post-install I’d use Remote Desktop for admin tasks, but the second’s a deal breaker for Media Center duties with USB tuners.
When I discovered this post-install I switched to VMware Player which is free but restricts virtual machines to being run, not created or edited. As I’d already created my VM in VMware Server this wasn’t a problem.
VMware Player doesn’t run as a service but can easily be configured to do so, even featuring a “No GUI” option for this purpose. It also supports USB 2.0 devices and will automatically reconnect them upon startup.
One other important detail is your VM package must support “Bridged” networking. This is where both VM and the host share the same network connection but have different IP addresses. The alternative is NAT where your VM is on a different IP range and invisible to devices such as extenders.
USB Tuners
Because Media Center is running in a virtual machine it’s unable to access physical hardware, with the exception of hard-disks and USB devices which can be bridged from the host.
For this experiment I picked up a used Adaptec 3610 USB Analog Tuner from eBay for about $35. As well as dual-tuners it has a built in eHome IR blaster for controlling STB’s which is super-handy. If a virtual Media Center proves not to be an option I’ll likely be switching my Media Center to a smaller machine anyhow so it won’t be going to waste.
For an ATSC HD tuner I currently use a VBox PCI card, but would switch to the HD HomeRun. It’s pricey ($170+) but has dual hybrid ATSC/QAM inputs and is Ethernet based.
Acceptance
As noted there’s two obvious caveats to a VM Media Center – Firstly that all Media must be played back via an Extender, and secondly CableCard support will not be an option.
The first is ok with me. As crazy as it sounds I’d prefer NOT to have a PC next to the TV
The second is the same limitation as custom building a machine – sucky but what can you do. While I’d like CableCard I can live without it. Most of the shows I watch are on local network channels and ATSC works fine here, arguably even better infact.
(On a side note: why are the only OEM PC’s that support CableCard so big, ugly, and non-Media-ish?)
The results
I ran this experiment on the Windows Home Server I built last year, which since buying a MediaSmart Server has been relegated to a development role. The specs (Athlon X2 2.0 Ghz, 2GB RAM) are higher than the stock MSS but around the spec that it can be upgraded to with hardware/bios mods.
Aside from the horrible web interface, installation under VMware server was painless.
The first thing I did was setup an extender to test that it could connect and stream the provided sample videos. There should be absolutely no difference, but for reference I went with the Xbox 360 for these tests. It was in the living room and I think it’s a better implementation.

The Extender connected first time without any problems and I could immediately select and view all of the sample media without a problem. This was my “wow” moment when I realized that this could actually all work.
Next up it was time to configure the tuners and, aside from having to switch to VMware Player, this is when I experienced my first hitch – TV setup cannot be performed via an Extender and must be done on the Media Center PC itself.
Because the virtual display drivers do not support hardware video you cannot see anything while configuring TV. This leads to a “TV Signal” screen that looks similar-but-not-quite-the-same as when there’s no signal detected.
As well as spotting this you need to use a process of elimination to determine which box maps to which tuner (luckily the Adaptec labels its external ports which makes it trivial) and whether the IR blaster is really changing channel or not.
So with everything setup it was on to some performance tests. First I watched and recorded “The Daily Show” and everything was great – CPU usage on the server was less than 30% and the picture was free of stutters, including while skipping back/forward.
After this I recorded “The Colbert Report” and started to rewatch the Daily Show. This is where things took a down-turn. The picture was generally ok but would occasionally stutter. Looking at Task Manager on the VM, CPU usage would spike from 50-100%, and on the server it would hover between 40-50%.
At this point I realized that VMware was maxing out one core on the server while the other went unused. I tried several things to get VMware to use both CPUs without any success – although VMware player is free it has no options so you’re restricted to editing config files using info gleamed on the web.
As I was already seeing problems with two simultaneous streams I was also concerned how it would handle a third show, or HD being thrown into the mix, or multiple extenders. All of these are things that are common in our house and if there’s one Mission Critical WAF item it’s TV
At this point I decided to call time on my experiment for the time being. As well as resolving the VMware problem with multiple cores I would need to purchase some USB ATSC hardware before I could satisfactorily judge performance.
My feeling is this setup is absolutely workable, and could work very well, but the spec of the host machine is likely to require more than the MediaSmart Server hardware can support.
Since my whole purpose was minimizing the footprint of both machines instead of switching back to a large form-factor server I’m more likely to purchase a dedicated machine such as a Dell Studio Hybrid or Mac Mini for Media Center purposes, then have it record to a network share. These are avenues I’ll probably explore in the new year.
It was fun tho







2008/12/17, 18:04
Andrew,
Pretty cool stuff there. I’d have to agree on paying a good chunk for a pre-made combo of WHS and MCE in one box! Seems MS is always behind on what we want, but sometimes they do make it happen….some time later…
2008/12/18, 07:49
You should try the free http://www.virtualbox.org/ for running your VMs. It supports running your VMS “headless” (using the VBoxHeadless.exe command), but while exposing its own Remote Desktop (RDP) service for you to connect and manage it, rather than remoting to the host and running it on the desktop (i.e. you don’t need to actually enable remote desktop on the guest). It also has great USB support.
2008/12/18, 09:02
Hi,
I’ve managed to install GB-PVR on my WHS (no virtualization required) and can now record and play my favorite shows on the attached tv
Using 3 Hauppauge recording cards (one internal, two USB) I could retire my harddisk recorders.
Ciao,
Steffen
2008/12/18, 15:06
Can you advise the physical drive, home server allocation and virtual drive config you used? This is a frequent area of confusion.
I’ll ask a few ppl about your CPU issue.
Thanx
Paul
2008/12/18, 15:09
I’m a little cut about the “somewhat” successful. Mine works perfectly, no stuttering etc.
500MB of OS and TV recordings, 2TB mirrored disk + external 1TB backup.
And it’s an older super energy efficient CPU chosen for that reason.
Thanx
Paul
2008/12/18, 16:39
Andrew
I have attempted something similar to this, we have a post going on TGB.
http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/318594.aspx
We are not going to be using the mediasmart as a host machine, but it might be interesting reading regardless. If you have the resources, I would love to see your experiment using HDHomerun tuners (network) as opposed to USB tuners..
2008/12/22, 05:49
But its very sad, that now all the Computers in the hole network cannot use the TV function (its possible to share the recordings and connect it to the “clients” and give every client an own tuner to show live tv – but this is a poor solution).
Strange that Microsoft has the Solution (Softleds), but give it not to us customer, so we must buy expensive extender like xbox 360 (very loud) or some extenders like linksys dma 2200/2000 (very slow menues).
and all the computers, that we have, we can not use, this is very strange – i think its better to give us an software extender as a ultimate benefit.
So long i use Mediaportal – this can stream LiveTV to every Computer and running native on the Homeserver. With my Homeautomation (www.ipshomecontrol.de) and the Mediaportal Solution is the Homeserver the perfekt “Digital Home” solution.
2009/01/19, 03:21
after this Suggestion
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=383226
i will thry on server 2008 with Hyper V
and Vista and WHS as guest PC`s
2009/12/14, 07:16
I know this comment is coming pretty late, but I have a question if you don’t mind.
Based on your experience, do you think virtualizing Windows Media Center (either Vista or Windows 7) would work if all you were using it for was to record TV shows? I have one Media Center PC and no extenders. I also have a Mediasmart server (EX485). From a green perspective, I don’t like the fact that my Media Center PC has to turn on to record TV and then archive it to the WHS. Since my WHS is always on, I would prefer to simply use it to record everything and then only have to turn on the Media Center PC when I want to watch what’s been recorded.
Do you think this is doable on the Mediasmart hardware without any upgrades?
Thanks for the knowledge.